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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.redbankgreen.com/2008/03/postal-workers.html/comment-page-1#comment-32129</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The USPS Web site says that in some sites, the USPS provides parking as a benefit to employees.  According to the Asbury Park Press, Postmaster &#34;Nara said post office policy considers parking to be the responsibility of the employee.&#34;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It would be more accurate to say that USPS provides parking for employee in some locations, and not in others.  In the case of Red Bank, apparently the USPS provides some parking for employees, but not enough for all employees.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If the Press statement is accurate, it sounds to me like the Postmaster was trying to convince the Council that his hands were tied by USPS policy, and they&#39;re not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It will *not* take an act of Congress for the Red Bank Post Office to provide parking for its employees.  Certainly the USPS would prefer not to provide parking, but they do provide it in some cases.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USPS Web site says that in some sites, the USPS provides parking as a benefit to employees.  According to the Asbury Park Press, Postmaster &quot;Nara said post office policy considers parking to be the responsibility of the employee.&quot;</p>
<p>It would be more accurate to say that USPS provides parking for employee in some locations, and not in others.  In the case of Red Bank, apparently the USPS provides some parking for employees, but not enough for all employees.  </p>
<p>If the Press statement is accurate, it sounds to me like the Postmaster was trying to convince the Council that his hands were tied by USPS policy, and they&#39;re not.</p>
<p>It will *not* take an act of Congress for the Red Bank Post Office to provide parking for its employees.  Certainly the USPS would prefer not to provide parking, but they do provide it in some cases.</p>
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		<title>By: No Where to Park</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Where to Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dan..read it carefully about the parking.  &#34;parking privileges are available in some(the key word is some)locations nationwide&#34;..It&#39;s the Postal Employees responsibilty to find parking!!!  It is not the responsibility for the USPS to find parking for their employees. It does&#39;nt say the USPS is required to find parking.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan..read it carefully about the parking.  &quot;parking privileges are available in some(the key word is some)locations nationwide&quot;..It&#39;s the Postal Employees responsibilty to find parking!!!  It is not the responsibility for the USPS to find parking for their employees. It does&#39;nt say the USPS is required to find parking.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.redbankgreen.com/2008/03/postal-workers.html/comment-page-1#comment-32127</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No firestorm?  I guess you weren&#39;t at the council meeting where 150 or so residents turned up to oppose the garage.  &lt;a href="http://hub.gmnews.com/news/2005/0728/Front_page/001.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://hub.gmnews.com/news/2005/0728/Front_page/001.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At that meeting, Mayor McKenna said he had gotten some offers from private developers, and they wanted to table the proposal until they had talked to the developers.  Of course, none of them worked out, because a parking garage is not profitable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The 2001 garage proposal brought 100 people to the council meeting, too, so I think Menna has figured out that the parking garage is the political third rail in Red Bank.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#39;m also standing by my &#34;quasi-governmental&#34; characterization of the USPS, though.  Congress gave up control of the USPS in 1970.  The USPS characterizes itself this way: &#34;The United States Postal Service® is an independent establishment of the Executive Branch of the United States Government. It operates in a businesslike way.&#34;  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do think it&#39;s true, though, that the USPS is not going to start providing parking for employees just because a borough council says it should.  However, the Postmaster was incorrect in stating that there was a USPS policy against it.  From the USPS Web site (&lt;a href="http://www.usps.com/employment/value.htm):" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.usps.com/employment/value.htm):&lt;/a&gt; &#34;parking privileges are available in some locations nationwide.&#34;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When asking about whether employees would be willing to pay $5/day, perhaps the mayor was thinking of the underutilized Globe Ct. garage, which charges $5/day, and is about 5 blocks from the post office.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No firestorm?  I guess you weren&#39;t at the council meeting where 150 or so residents turned up to oppose the garage.  <a href="http://hub.gmnews.com/news/2005/0728/Front_page/001.html" rel="nofollow">http://hub.gmnews.com/news/2005/0728/Front_page/001.html</a></p>
<p>At that meeting, Mayor McKenna said he had gotten some offers from private developers, and they wanted to table the proposal until they had talked to the developers.  Of course, none of them worked out, because a parking garage is not profitable.</p>
<p>The 2001 garage proposal brought 100 people to the council meeting, too, so I think Menna has figured out that the parking garage is the political third rail in Red Bank.</p>
<p>I&#39;m also standing by my &quot;quasi-governmental&quot; characterization of the USPS, though.  Congress gave up control of the USPS in 1970.  The USPS characterizes itself this way: &quot;The United States Postal Service® is an independent establishment of the Executive Branch of the United States Government. It operates in a businesslike way.&quot;  </p>
<p>I do think it&#39;s true, though, that the USPS is not going to start providing parking for employees just because a borough council says it should.  However, the Postmaster was incorrect in stating that there was a USPS policy against it.  From the USPS Web site (<a href="http://www.usps.com/employment/value.htm):" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.usps.com/employment/value.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usps.com/employment/value.htm</a>): &quot;parking privileges are available in some locations nationwide.&quot;</p>
<p>When asking about whether employees would be willing to pay $5/day, perhaps the mayor was thinking of the underutilized Globe Ct. garage, which charges $5/day, and is about 5 blocks from the post office.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt; just how many parking lot spaces does Red Bank have and how many street metered spaces does it have.&lt;br /&gt;
I would wager enough, and then I would say look to all of the stores that have closed due to HIGH RENT, and not lack for lack of parking. I challenge any council member to walk with me through the streets of Downtown, and I will show you empty spots all over the place (a lot of empty stores, final sale days, and then walk all over the borough and show I will show you how many for sale signs on homes are out there. ITS NOT THE GAD DARN LACK OF PARKING, ITS THE HIGH RENTS AND THE HIGH TAXES (MISMANAGMENT THAT IS THE ROOT TO THIS. I just do not understand what the council members don&#39;t get, Someone once posted on here that we elect the brightest people to sit on the council. Sometimes (all of the time)? I wonder about that comment. Being a lawyer doesn&#39;t make you smart, having good para legals to do your research is what counts. Having a successful builder on the council doesn&#39;t make him the best choice either. If they were that smart they perhaps would have seen and said long ago about how the failing infrastructure of the borough could not sustain the new buildings/little city, or had the library done on time, a whole slew of things could have been done differently by these &#39;clever&#39; peoples and saved us all money. Maybe Grace could have seen the shut down of the housing market coming and advised against different avenues the borough could or should not have taken. Thing is, it all roots back to the parking garage, Is someone on the take here, why keep pushing it, there is no need, none.&lt;br /&gt;
and as for Hudson Avenue, RBG,  please do drive byes on there several times a day and see how empty it is. Permit parking only....is that legal?&lt;br /&gt;
Damn I&#39;m going to miss you curley  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> just how many parking lot spaces does Red Bank have and how many street metered spaces does it have.<br />
I would wager enough, and then I would say look to all of the stores that have closed due to HIGH RENT, and not lack for lack of parking. I challenge any council member to walk with me through the streets of Downtown, and I will show you empty spots all over the place (a lot of empty stores, final sale days, and then walk all over the borough and show I will show you how many for sale signs on homes are out there. ITS NOT THE GAD DARN LACK OF PARKING, ITS THE HIGH RENTS AND THE HIGH TAXES (MISMANAGMENT THAT IS THE ROOT TO THIS. I just do not understand what the council members don&#39;t get, Someone once posted on here that we elect the brightest people to sit on the council. Sometimes (all of the time)? I wonder about that comment. Being a lawyer doesn&#39;t make you smart, having good para legals to do your research is what counts. Having a successful builder on the council doesn&#39;t make him the best choice either. If they were that smart they perhaps would have seen and said long ago about how the failing infrastructure of the borough could not sustain the new buildings/little city, or had the library done on time, a whole slew of things could have been done differently by these &#39;clever&#39; peoples and saved us all money. Maybe Grace could have seen the shut down of the housing market coming and advised against different avenues the borough could or should not have taken. Thing is, it all roots back to the parking garage, Is someone on the take here, why keep pushing it, there is no need, none.<br />
and as for Hudson Avenue, RBG,  please do drive byes on there several times a day and see how empty it is. Permit parking only&#8230;.is that legal?<br />
Damn I&#39;m going to miss you curley  </p>
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		<title>By: alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just to correct a few blatent errors posted here recently.... The post office is not a &#34;Quasi government service organization&#34;&lt;br /&gt;
It is a branch of the federal government. You can requst changes to the P.O., but any change will not come because of a local government decision.  Sorry if somebody here thinks that is &#34;obnoxious&#34;, but you cannot change the fact  that the Federal Government is not controlled by local government decisions.  Ask New York about it&#39;s airline &#34;Bill of Rights&#34;  that was passed in the state, and overturned in a higher court for just that reason!   &lt;br /&gt;
Red Bank does not handle any mail for Little Silver.&lt;br /&gt;
As for the Abbot Grants,I&#39;m not sure how they are funded. Perhaps getting the Board of Ed and  recreation dept.to stop including Middletown in it&#39;s mailings would help.  It&#39;s  a waste of time and money.  They have requested that the mailings that are addressed to Middletown be returned to them, but they are still paying for the printing and the postage on them! &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to correct a few blatent errors posted here recently&#8230;. The post office is not a &quot;Quasi government service organization&quot;<br />
It is a branch of the federal government. You can requst changes to the P.O., but any change will not come because of a local government decision.  Sorry if somebody here thinks that is &quot;obnoxious&quot;, but you cannot change the fact  that the Federal Government is not controlled by local government decisions.  Ask New York about it&#39;s airline &quot;Bill of Rights&quot;  that was passed in the state, and overturned in a higher court for just that reason!   <br />
Red Bank does not handle any mail for Little Silver.<br />
As for the Abbot Grants,I&#39;m not sure how they are funded. Perhaps getting the Board of Ed and  recreation dept.to stop including Middletown in it&#39;s mailings would help.  It&#39;s  a waste of time and money.  They have requested that the mailings that are addressed to Middletown be returned to them, but they are still paying for the printing and the postage on them! </p>
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		<title>By: Padrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Padrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually &#34;Why Us&#34;, you are helping make my point.  Even though I do shop here (what little is left for a non-size-two), of course everyone drives to supermarkets and malls and other shopping areas.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But when we drive to Monmouth Mall, for example, do we get to park immediately in front of The Disney Store?  Of course not.  It might require WALKING hundreds of yards to get from parking to a particular store.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or maybe there isn&#39;t enough here for the average person to want to walk to.  Because people sure don&#39;t mind walking a long way to get to the fireworks display, the street fairs, the restaurants, Count Basie Theater shows.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Saying Red Bank doesn&#39;t have enough parking is a politically driven urban myth.   And I would suggest our love of writing parking tickets has more to do with dissuading visitors than any other single factor.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually &quot;Why Us&quot;, you are helping make my point.  Even though I do shop here (what little is left for a non-size-two), of course everyone drives to supermarkets and malls and other shopping areas.</p>
<p>But when we drive to Monmouth Mall, for example, do we get to park immediately in front of The Disney Store?  Of course not.  It might require WALKING hundreds of yards to get from parking to a particular store.</p>
<p>Or maybe there isn&#39;t enough here for the average person to want to walk to.  Because people sure don&#39;t mind walking a long way to get to the fireworks display, the street fairs, the restaurants, Count Basie Theater shows.</p>
<p>Saying Red Bank doesn&#39;t have enough parking is a politically driven urban myth.   And I would suggest our love of writing parking tickets has more to do with dissuading visitors than any other single factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I repeat:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I was sad earlier this month to see the parking garage &#34;solution&#34; to Red Bank&#39;s parking &#34;problem&#34; return as a topic for reconsideration. I was more irritated than sad to see the comments made in the APP that the lack of parking spaces had been documented.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problems that businesses in downtown are having are complex but I only have time for some simple comments. Downtown businesses are having problems because of high rents, a disfunctional mix of stores, increased competition from other communities, the traditional American distaste for walking more than a block from a parking space, meters that demand having just the right amount of change, high parking tickets,and perhaps from a downturn in the economy in NJ.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Building a parking garage on White Street will not solve the economic woes of downtown merchants. It would increase traffic in the core of the city, thus making shopping in Red Bank inconvenient. It would leave all the other other lots at the edge of downtown with even more empty spaces than they currently have. It could lead to increased cost for Red Bank residents, who seem reluctant to support expenses for a parking garage to support, and therefore in effect subsidize, landlords who seem to be profiting quite well--at least for the time being.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I encourage everyone who feels the way I do to call and write our council representatives and to keep the pressure on. I encourage everyone to let Pat Menna know that we support other kinds of efforts to keep downtown vibrant.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I repeat:</p>
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I was sad earlier this month to see the parking garage &quot;solution&quot; to Red Bank&#39;s parking &quot;problem&quot; return as a topic for reconsideration. I was more irritated than sad to see the comments made in the APP that the lack of parking spaces had been documented.</p>
<p>The problems that businesses in downtown are having are complex but I only have time for some simple comments. Downtown businesses are having problems because of high rents, a disfunctional mix of stores, increased competition from other communities, the traditional American distaste for walking more than a block from a parking space, meters that demand having just the right amount of change, high parking tickets,and perhaps from a downturn in the economy in NJ.</p>
<p>Building a parking garage on White Street will not solve the economic woes of downtown merchants. It would increase traffic in the core of the city, thus making shopping in Red Bank inconvenient. It would leave all the other other lots at the edge of downtown with even more empty spaces than they currently have. It could lead to increased cost for Red Bank residents, who seem reluctant to support expenses for a parking garage to support, and therefore in effect subsidize, landlords who seem to be profiting quite well&#8211;at least for the time being.</p>
<p>I encourage everyone who feels the way I do to call and write our council representatives and to keep the pressure on. I encourage everyone to let Pat Menna know that we support other kinds of efforts to keep downtown vibrant.</p>
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		<title>By: No Where to Park</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Where to Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If anyone was at the Coucil meeting, they would have heard the Mayor and coucil members question almost every postal employee if they would be willing to pay for parking.  All of them said they would at a reasonable price.  The mayor asked the question if the postal workers were willing to pay $4 or $5 dollars a day. (could be $100 or more a month..because some employees work 6 days a week..I think that is to much money). The one employee came right out and asked if the mayor was talking about the parking garage and he said &#34;No&#34;..(we knew that was what he was implying.  It alway comes back to the parking garage.)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone was at the Coucil meeting, they would have heard the Mayor and coucil members question almost every postal employee if they would be willing to pay for parking.  All of them said they would at a reasonable price.  The mayor asked the question if the postal workers were willing to pay $4 or $5 dollars a day. (could be $100 or more a month..because some employees work 6 days a week..I think that is to much money). The one employee came right out and asked if the mayor was talking about the parking garage and he said &quot;No&quot;..(we knew that was what he was implying.  It alway comes back to the parking garage.)</p>
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		<title>By: Not True</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually Dan, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There was no &#34;firestorm&#34; in 2005. The Council itself nixed the idea after the former CFO made a $5 million error in revenue projections in the 17th year. Councilwoman Beck jumped on it and raised the spector of possible other mistakes in the pro-forma. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Dan, </p>
<p>There was no &quot;firestorm&quot; in 2005. The Council itself nixed the idea after the former CFO made a $5 million error in revenue projections in the 17th year. Councilwoman Beck jumped on it and raised the spector of possible other mistakes in the pro-forma. </p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I won&#39;t support any garage that increases the size of the town&#39;s budget or reduces revenues. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If a developer wants to create a garage downtown, and it doesn&#39;t involve too many variances, the free use of public land, or any favorable tax treatment, I still won&#39;t like it, but I guess I&#39;d have to live with it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But no developer is willing to do it, because it would lose money, even if the town gave them the land for free.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The council looked at the feasibility in 2005, and was ready to build a garage over the White St. parking lot.  A firestorm of public opposition stopped them.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#39;t support any garage that increases the size of the town&#39;s budget or reduces revenues. </p>
<p>If a developer wants to create a garage downtown, and it doesn&#39;t involve too many variances, the free use of public land, or any favorable tax treatment, I still won&#39;t like it, but I guess I&#39;d have to live with it.</p>
<p>But no developer is willing to do it, because it would lose money, even if the town gave them the land for free.</p>
<p>The council looked at the feasibility in 2005, and was ready to build a garage over the White St. parking lot.  A firestorm of public opposition stopped them.</p>
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