Comments on: COUNCIL OK’S TAX APPEALS ‘UNDER DURESS’ http://www.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html Serving greater Red Bank, NJ - a town square for an unsquare town Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:24:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Dan http://www.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html/comment-page-1#comment-24190 Dan Fri, 15 May 2009 13:40:45 +0000 http://ads.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html#comment-24190 <p>Wouldn't the county have something to say about a 20% cut in assessments? Since the county gov't is funded by property taxes, lowering assessments in RB would result in higher taxes for the rest of the county.</p> <p>NJ, by the way, is increasing in population. You can find out more about the in- and out-migration in our state at:<br /> <a href="http://lwd.dol.state.nj.us/labor/lpa/dmograph/InterPopMigrTrends.html" rel="nofollow">http://lwd.dol.state.nj.us/labor/lpa/dmograph/InterPopMigrTrends.html</a><br /> <a href="http://www.princeton.edu/prior/PRIOReconomy-Final-(2).pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.princeton.edu/prior/PRIOReconomy-Final-(2).pdf</a></p> Wouldn't the county have something to say about a 20% cut in assessments? Since the county gov't is funded by property taxes, lowering assessments in RB would result in higher taxes for the rest of the county.

NJ, by the way, is increasing in population. You can find out more about the in- and out-migration in our state at:
http://lwd.dol.state.nj.us/labor/lpa/dmograph/InterPopMigrTrends.html
http://www.princeton.edu/prior/PRIOReconomy-Final-(2).pdf

]]> By: Tomato Face http://www.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html/comment-page-1#comment-24189 Tomato Face Thu, 14 May 2009 21:03:27 +0000 http://ads.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html#comment-24189 <p>The town needs to do 3 things. Give an across the board 20% reduction in all assesments in town to prevent people from fighting their assessment and costing the town money to stop it. Two, they need to operate more efficiently. They can no long run the town on hope of development and other benefits that a town receives during better economic times. They need to cut jobs, benefits/pensions and regionalize services with other communities. And three, they need to stop raising the property taxes for several years to make it a more affordable place to live which is the reason NJ keeps losing residents to other states. </p> The town needs to do 3 things. Give an across the board 20% reduction in all assesments in town to prevent people from fighting their assessment and costing the town money to stop it. Two, they need to operate more efficiently. They can no long run the town on hope of development and other benefits that a town receives during better economic times. They need to cut jobs, benefits/pensions and regionalize services with other communities. And three, they need to stop raising the property taxes for several years to make it a more affordable place to live which is the reason NJ keeps losing residents to other states.

]]> By: Dan http://www.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html/comment-page-1#comment-24188 Dan Thu, 14 May 2009 20:11:55 +0000 http://ads.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html#comment-24188 <p>Nemo,</p> <p>Which side in the court case would want to expose underhanded dealing?</p> <p>I think the reason that there is no court case is that the town would spend thousands of dollars in legal fees, and lose anyway. I wouldn't be happy to see my tax dollars wasted on a useless court case.</p> Nemo,

Which side in the court case would want to expose underhanded dealing?

I think the reason that there is no court case is that the town would spend thousands of dollars in legal fees, and lose anyway. I wouldn't be happy to see my tax dollars wasted on a useless court case.

]]> By: a lightbulb goes off and I realize I too am under duress!!! http://www.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html/comment-page-1#comment-24187 a lightbulb goes off and I realize I too am under duress!!! Thu, 14 May 2009 20:11:54 +0000 http://ads.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html#comment-24187 <p>Hey wait a SECOND aren't all property owners with heavy tax burden under duress. Who do I pay my kick back too, to get on this list?? Please anyone.</p> Hey wait a SECOND aren't all property owners with heavy tax burden under duress. Who do I pay my kick back too, to get on this list?? Please anyone.

]]> By: captain nemo http://www.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html/comment-page-1#comment-24186 captain nemo Thu, 14 May 2009 16:02:05 +0000 http://ads.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html#comment-24186 <p>....simple answer Engraver: in court there exists the concept of “discovery" – where we the public at large get to read the known facts; by extension, without that court appearance, obfuscation may rule the day. Rest assured, we are well beyond “pay to play” here in Jersey – an entire network of crooked political favors trades thrivingly for those willing to keep such affairs sub rosa.... </p> ….simple answer Engraver: in court there exists the concept of “discovery" – where we the public at large get to read the known facts; by extension, without that court appearance, obfuscation may rule the day. Rest assured, we are well beyond “pay to play” here in Jersey – an entire network of crooked political favors trades thrivingly for those willing to keep such affairs sub rosa….

]]> By: THE ENGRAVER http://www.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html/comment-page-1#comment-24185 THE ENGRAVER Thu, 14 May 2009 11:47:44 +0000 http://ads.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html#comment-24185 <p>I'm still at a loss as to why it is that we (RB) doesn't GO to court when someone or group theatens to take us their. It boggles the mind to think that our hired gun (lawyer) already thinks he is a judge and decides the case. Keep in mind it also costs the other side to go to court. I remember when the Shore Builders Assoc. theatened to take RB to court over the proposed "pay to play" issue. RB caved and basically let them write the ordinance rather than thrash it out in front of a judge. Most things would work out better if you weren't allowed to settle out of court but had to go the whole nine yards. Just too many lawyers in town hall building. Part of that simbiotic relationship disease going around town.</p> I'm still at a loss as to why it is that we (RB) doesn't GO to court when someone or group theatens to take us their. It boggles the mind to think that our hired gun (lawyer) already thinks he is a judge and decides the case. Keep in mind it also costs the other side to go to court. I remember when the Shore Builders Assoc. theatened to take RB to court over the proposed "pay to play" issue. RB caved and basically let them write the ordinance rather than thrash it out in front of a judge. Most things would work out better if you weren't allowed to settle out of court but had to go the whole nine yards. Just too many lawyers in town hall building. Part of that simbiotic relationship disease going around town.

]]> By: captain nemo http://www.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html/comment-page-1#comment-24184 captain nemo Thu, 14 May 2009 10:55:25 +0000 http://ads.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html#comment-24184 <p>...and so the spending continues....</p> …and so the spending continues….

]]> By: SMF http://www.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html/comment-page-1#comment-24183 SMF Wed, 13 May 2009 21:06:13 +0000 http://ads.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html#comment-24183 <p>Dan,</p> <p> Councilman Dupont was present at the workshop and open portion of the council meeting. Choosing to leave before the executive session was probably due to a potential conflict of interest.<br /> Mr.Dupont indicated for the record at the previous meeting (April 27th), that he had a conflict.</p> Dan,

Councilman Dupont was present at the workshop and open portion of the council meeting. Choosing to leave before the executive session was probably due to a potential conflict of interest.
Mr.Dupont indicated for the record at the previous meeting (April 27th), that he had a conflict.

]]> By: drowning http://www.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html/comment-page-1#comment-24182 drowning Wed, 13 May 2009 16:06:12 +0000 http://ads.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html#comment-24182 <p>But they never slowed down the spending....</p> But they never slowed down the spending….

]]> By: A http://www.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html/comment-page-1#comment-24181 A Wed, 13 May 2009 14:47:29 +0000 http://ads.redbankgreen.com/2009/05/tax-appeals-okd-under-duress.html#comment-24181 <p>The solution is what the town did back in the '90's after the housing market peaked right around the time of a reassessment and then declined soon after. There were a ton of tax appeals, based on the new market values. So, the town (as I remember it) gave a blanket reassessment to all of the property owners (if the market decreased by 10%, then everyone got a 10% decrease in their assessment). Then, they raised the tax rate to compensate for the loss of value. It reduced the appeals (can't appeal if you're at market value again) and made it more fair.</p> The solution is what the town did back in the '90's after the housing market peaked right around the time of a reassessment and then declined soon after. There were a ton of tax appeals, based on the new market values. So, the town (as I remember it) gave a blanket reassessment to all of the property owners (if the market decreased by 10%, then everyone got a 10% decrease in their assessment). Then, they raised the tax rate to compensate for the loss of value. It reduced the appeals (can't appeal if you're at market value again) and made it more fair.

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