The alleged gunman in the November, 2007 double shooting at Red Bank’s Montgomery Terrace has rejected a plea bargain offered by prosecutors and will instead stand trial, the Asbury Park Press reports.
The newspaper says Eatontown resident Anthony Sims, 20, rejected an offer by the Monmouth County Prosecutor’s office of a 17-year prison sentence. He told state Superior Court Judge Edward M. Neafsey in Freehold that he wants to go to trial.
Neafsey set October 27 as the trial date.
Both of the shooter’s victims survived their wounds. A third man who authorities say was also fired at was unhurt.According to the Press, Sims faces up to 60 years in prison if convicted on all charges, which include three counts of first-degree attempted murder.
Sims remains in the Monmouth County Jail in lieu of $3 million bail.
what a dope
are the mexicans really the problem on the west side?
dis guys from eatontown doesn’t even look mexican? w’as wit dat? i thought the problems was da peeple from da wes-side
“are the mexicans really the problem on the west side?”
False dilemma fallacy.
The west side has multiple problems. The mexicans are one of them. Why not ask an accident victim with a compound fracture if his stage II cancer is really a problem.
The problem is not Mexicans, it’s men. At least half the Mexican population - the female half - is law-abiding. It’s males - Mexican or not - that are causing the problems.
And they’re overrunning our schools, dragging down test scores.
We just need to get all the males out of town.
You blame “The Mexican’s” for everything, that’s like blaming the whites for everything, it is a Multi-national population i.e. people from Mexico, Hondurans, Guatemala, Venezuela from all over the world, Why don’t you blame the real culprit, the Contractors and Businesses that lure these people here with the promise of a better life and good paying jobs? and start dropping the racist crap (it’s obvious you hate these people)that would be a start to correcting this situation…..
FRED, The problem is POVERTY and the lack of opportunity for the poor. White, Black, Mexican and other.
Poverty =’s Despair,
Despair =’s Taking actions that blessed people could never image; i.e. depriving oneself of education, Dealing Drugs, robbing people, etc.
Have some compassion and be thankful that you are not “the problem”. But then again, maybe you are?
Mexicans and other illegals are A problem. No one said they are THE problem and certainly no one said they’re the cause of EVERY problem.
People love to mischaracterize the debate — like calling anyone with a different position a racist.
And CT, there ARE problems specific to the illegals which you dutifully try to distract people from.
If you don’t like OPEN and HONEST debate then how do you expect resolution?
BTW, if poverty is the cause of crime why is West Virginia, one of the poorest states, have a crime rate well below the national average?
Correlation and causation are two different things.
Ohh, that explains it……you’re from West Virginia!!!!
Just sayin’,
You allude to problems specific to illegals but don’t say what they are. Enlighten us.
And are we talking about illegals or Mexicans? The two groups have lots of overlap, but they aren’t the same.
the problem is a complete disrespect for society, it’s rules and the glorified “gangster” lifestyle of “let’s get a gun and bust a cap is his ass” that is a hallmark of the rap/hip-hop culture predominant in black culture (yes white kids listen to). You can blame poverty but I haven’t read of many poor whites shooting up houses, killing people over sneakers or shooting someone to “save face”. The simple fact is that the #1 cause of death for black young men is violence at the hands of other blacks is proof enough that there is a real problem and we need to look at new ways to deal with it. The old “well they are poor and driven to it doesn’t” work
Fred,
If there were more poor white folks around, you’d read about them robbing banks, etc. Oh wait, it is white guys robbing banks. When was the last time you read about a black man bilking investors or prescribing narcotics willy nilly? Do white men commit those crimes because of preppy culture?
It’s not Mexicans or blacks or illegals, it’s men. We need to do something about the male problem in this town and in this nation.
Yeah right no ones a Racist but all you can do is blame the illegal population - this guy isn’t an illegal (above)he’s not even from Red Bank. The Problem with Illegal immigrants is because the town DOES NOT ENFORCE the laws, the town council is populated with individuals who have benefited from the illegal labor in this town, Restaurants on Broad and Monmouth Streets employee illegals (to cut down on their overhead), Housewives in Rumson, Little Silver and Deal have illegal house cleaners and babysitters the reason there is any problem at all is because of the employers and the individuals who employee illegals, If the White people would stop this the illegals would go away. As far as crime being solely a Ghetto/Rap thing, your crazy, the guy who Robbed the last bank in town was a 60+ year old white dude (and that’s a violent crime) I bet most of the purse snatching and pick-pocketing going on town is being down by older white women (i.e. you put your wallet or purse down and it gets lifted). You just love blaming everyone else, must give you a sense of superiority and comfort, Let’s blame the other people. Red Bank isn’t Camden - so stop being such weenies and grow a spine or move to Shadow Lake already -shhh!
“You allude to problems specific to illegals but don’t say what they are. Enlighten us.”
Sorry you live under a rock but I’m here to help.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ … ldt.0.HTML
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ … dt.01.HTML
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANSCRIP … dt.01.HTML
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ … dt.01.HTML
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.CNN.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML
9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC%20RI% … dt.01.HTML
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ … dt.01.HTML
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’ Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/ … tation.PDF
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin. Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.’ Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html
CT, I had a detailed reply that got caught in RBG Comment Control. But either you’re not keeping up with current events or you’re trying to bait me.
The social costs of illegal immigration should be obvious. Hospitals are bankrupted, municipal treasuries are strained, roads become more and more over crowded. And this just scratches the surface.
Why do we think that importing poverty and illiteracy is good for the USA? Have a solid argument? I’d like to hear it.
I’ve said this over and over: drive up to Paterson, Passaic, or N Bergen and take a good look around. Like what you see?
And for those who say it’s the fault of business - I agree! that is the demand side of the equation. In fact I say that business and the gubmint (politicians actually) are tag-teaming the public.
And a note to RBG man: you can delete my moderated post. It’s not a good argument anyway.
Everyone else: sorry to hijack this thread!
I am talking about violent crime and murder. Look at any statistics for violent crime in black nieghborhoods and the amount of gun violence is uncomparable to ANY other nieghborhood in the US. This isn’t racist it’s a fact
Common,
I second your comment.
If it were not for men these crimes would not be happening. Its never a 50 year old woman or a young girl doing the crime.
Until we regulate and control men this will not end.
Fred,
Where can I find those statistics? I googled but couldn’t find anyone breaking crime statistics down by ethnicity of neighborhood.
Just sayin’,
“Why do we think that importing poverty and illiteracy is good for the USA?”
I think this country has been built by other country’s wretched refuse.
I kind of like Paterson. And you can’t blame Paterson’s problems on Mexicans or illegals or whatever. That town’s been going downhill since electricity made water-powered mills obsolete.
from the CDC “Homicide is the leading cause of death among blacks 15-34 years of age. Overall, homicide is the third leading cause of years of potential life lost (YPLL) for blacks. For whites and persons of other races, it is the sixth leading cause of YPLL.”
urban vs suburban crime rates:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/usrv98.htm
The CDC says that young black people are more likely to be homocide victims than young white people.
The DOJ says that violent crime rates are higher in urban areas than suburban areas, and higher in suburban areas than in rural areas.
I didn’t see anything that related violence to ethnic makeup of neighborhoods. I didn’t even see anything relating race to commission of crimes at all. Did I miss something?
you can read what you want into those but its fairly common knowledge that black on black violence is epidemic. Where does that violence happen…in Montana? It happens in urban areas and the net result is hugely inflated instances of homocide and other violent crimes. You need to realize this is a problem with the urban culture of guns & gangs and stop making excuses about “oh they are so underpriviedged”
OK..Fred between 1993 to 1998 based on your information there where how many “Homicides” (not Homocides) in Red Bank, if you check (with out checking) I am pretty sure that you find None. So what the Hell is your point???
my original point is/was…looks like the face of crime on the west side isn’t mexican. A point brought up cause we all like to bitch about our lil friends out here.
Fred,
I’ve heard about black on black violence, too, but I couldn’t find any facts on it.
You seem to imply that the violence rate among blacks in Montana is lower than in urban areas. I couldn’t find any facts to back that up either. If that were true, it would seem to indicate that the higher crime rate among blacks is a result of where people live, not the color of their skin or the music they listen to.
just sayin,
I actually started reading the attached links, and it was clear that you hadn’t read them. Read the article in #1, and you’ll find that it’s talking about legal immigrants, not illegals. That article says, “Illegal immigrants are barred from the following federal public benefits: grants, contracts, loans, licenses, retirement, welfare, health, disability, public or assisted housing, post secondary education, food assistance, and unemployment benefits. States are barred from providing state or locally funded benefits to illegal immigrants unless a state law is enacted granting such authority.” That contradicts items 2, 3 and 9 in your list
Then I found that your list is from a chain mail circulating the Internet. Here is an examination of the claims made in the chain mail:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/do_illegal_immigrants_cost_3383_billion_dollars.html
And here’s a real study on immigrants and crime: http://ideas.repec.org/p/fip/fedhwp/wp-05-19.html
From the abstract:
“Despite the widespread perception of a link between immigration and crime, immigrants have much lower institutionalization (incarceration) rates than the native born. More recently arrived immigrants have the lowest comparative incarceration rates, and this difference increased from 1980 to 2000.”
here are a few facts for you to look up over the weekend. Please comapre the murder rates for Philly or Brownsville, Brooklyn to say Bangor, Me or Helena, MT. I am sure they are not even close. Then compare the ethnic break down of each city…any common factors?
oh and here is a whole google search page on black on black crime…lots of facts for your weekend reading.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=0&oq=black+on+&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS219US219&q=black+on+black+crime
You seem to be asking me to do your research. No thanks. I already know what the problem is: too many males.
Pick any city you want, and compare violent crimes by males to violent crimes by females. Or take a look at male-on-male vs female-on-female violence.
“I think this country has been built by other country’s wretched refuse.”
Built by but not designed by. Ask yourself sometime why did North and South America end up so much differently?
Further, the pre-1920 wretched refuse did not come for the welfare state. And the post-1920 lockdown on immigration was the best thing that could happen to immigrants. It forced them to assimilate. Today’s SOTB crew has less reason to so as their numbers grow and even now resist it. “Press one for english”?? WTF is that? There is no melting pot today and attempts to encourage assimilation are vilified by leftists and diversicrats everywhere.
And where these people DO assimilate tends to be the welfare/petty criminal underclass UNLIKE the “refuse” of the days of yore.
We’re building an underclass which is increasing crime, teen pregnancy, need for social services and various means of tax consumption. As the demographics shift, the newcomers will recreate the same failed societies they left behind. How do I know this? It’s already started.
“I kind of like Paterson. And you can’t blame Paterson’s problems on Mexicans or illegals or whatever. That town’s been going downhill since electricity made water-powered mills obsolete.”
What about the other barrios? Been to SoCal lately? It’s a mess. Do you HONESTLY want more of that? Because THAT is our future.
“I didn’t see anything that related violence to ethnic makeup of neighborhoods. I didn’t even see anything relating race to commission of crimes at all. Did I miss something?”
Orwell noted that the most difficult thing to see is often what is right in front of your nose.
Take a look at this and let us know what it means to you…
http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map
Just sayin,
“the pre-1920 wretched refuse did not come for the welfare state”
Apparently, you still haven’t read the article in the first item of the chain mail you posted. Legal immigrants have to wait 5 years to get welfare. Illegals can never get it. No one is coming for the welfare state.
“We’re building an underclass which is increasing crime, teen pregnancy, need for social services and various means of tax consumption.”
Since the 90s, we’ve had decreases in crime (http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/glance.htm#Crime), teen pregnancy (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5812a5.htm?s_cid=mm5812a5_e), welfare dependency (http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/indicators08/execsum.shtml). Tax consumption does seem to be skyrocketing lately, but the bulk of it seems to be going to banks, large corporations and insurance companies, not immigrants.
That map is cool. Compare it to this map (http://www.lehman.cuny.edu/deannss/geography/images2/mzonemin.png) and it looks like murders occur more frequently in neighborhoods with a higher percentage of minorities. I’d want some data on income levels and prevalence of guns ownership before drawing any conclusions about race causing crime, though.