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	<title>Comments on: COUNCIL PLANS WATER/SEWER RATE BOOST</title>
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	<description>Serving greater Red Bank, NJ - a town square for an unsquare town</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: always barefoot</title>
		<link>http://www.redbankgreen.com/2010/03/council-plans-watersewer-rate-increase.html/comment-page-1#comment-51138</link>
		<dc:creator>always barefoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets not forget that for 1/2 of the year the town of Red Bank switches our water supply to NJ American...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets not forget that for 1/2 of the year the town of Red Bank switches our water supply to NJ American&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.redbankgreen.com/2010/03/council-plans-watersewer-rate-increase.html/comment-page-1#comment-51111</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The town serves brown water and the water pressure sucks. In a fair market Red Bank residents should be getting water and a steep discount to it's neighbor towns. If this is not the case, it would be blatant abuse of a monopoly. Does anybody know how Red Bank stacks up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The town serves brown water and the water pressure sucks. In a fair market Red Bank residents should be getting water and a steep discount to it&#8217;s neighbor towns. If this is not the case, it would be blatant abuse of a monopoly. Does anybody know how Red Bank stacks up?</p>
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		<title>By: bankstresident</title>
		<link>http://www.redbankgreen.com/2010/03/council-plans-watersewer-rate-increase.html/comment-page-1#comment-51109</link>
		<dc:creator>bankstresident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough I had just emailed the DPW for the rates on the water/sewer, which are astronomical. 
And btw - the rates should be on the bill - they are not. 
I live alone and my quarterly water/sewer bill is 2x (water was 3x as much) that of a friend who is married with two children. 
The boro can't seem to provide us with a quality product at a non-ridiculous rate. 
I shouldn't be paying this amount of money for water that I don't let my dog drink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough I had just emailed the DPW for the rates on the water/sewer, which are astronomical.<br />
And btw - the rates should be on the bill - they are not.<br />
I live alone and my quarterly water/sewer bill is 2x (water was 3x as much) that of a friend who is married with two children.<br />
The boro can&#8217;t seem to provide us with a quality product at a non-ridiculous rate.<br />
I shouldn&#8217;t be paying this amount of money for water that I don&#8217;t let my dog drink.</p>
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		<title>By: Dooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how things have come full circle. And how history, while often forgotten, sheds much light on the situation today. The party who supported this will surprise some of you too.

 -1984: Tom Kean, then Republican Governor, had a study completed to compare the starting salaries at that time for new teachers. Concerned that “NJ did not compare to other States in the Union, and that we needed to enhance the quality of teachers in the State to ensure NJ public schools did not fail, as failure of public schools would equate to something of the order of a foreign military invasion in terms of levels of disaster’. “That teachers, given their importance, should be paid more like lawyers or doctors.”
 
- Thereafter, he raised the starting salaries which continued to rise for years thereafter. This at the objection of the NJEA. Why? Because, it skewed the pay scale for existing teachers. Teachers there for 10 years were making the same salary as a new hire. 

- Fast forward to today…..2010. Christie is now taking a sledgehammer to education, and teachers. What has changed? Why the all of a sudden disdain:

1) Back in the 80’s and 90’s, public education was the ‘Darling Prize” for politicians. They protected it. Now, as we can see from the falling status of our schools, education is falling apart. In general as a Country it is, which is why we are no longer the #1Economic Power in the World.

2)The belief today is that public education is not viable. That privatization is the answer. But look at attempts to do that, and where they stand today.

Anyway, just an interesting piece of NJ history, which may suprise a few. Note I had forgotten this too, although I was quite young when Kean was in office.
And for the record I am not a teacher. Could never do what they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how things have come full circle. And how history, while often forgotten, sheds much light on the situation today. The party who supported this will surprise some of you too.</p>
<p> -1984: Tom Kean, then Republican Governor, had a study completed to compare the starting salaries at that time for new teachers. Concerned that “NJ did not compare to other States in the Union, and that we needed to enhance the quality of teachers in the State to ensure NJ public schools did not fail, as failure of public schools would equate to something of the order of a foreign military invasion in terms of levels of disaster’. “That teachers, given their importance, should be paid more like lawyers or doctors.”</p>
<p>- Thereafter, he raised the starting salaries which continued to rise for years thereafter. This at the objection of the NJEA. Why? Because, it skewed the pay scale for existing teachers. Teachers there for 10 years were making the same salary as a new hire. </p>
<p>- Fast forward to today…..2010. Christie is now taking a sledgehammer to education, and teachers. What has changed? Why the all of a sudden disdain:</p>
<p>1) Back in the 80’s and 90’s, public education was the ‘Darling Prize” for politicians. They protected it. Now, as we can see from the falling status of our schools, education is falling apart. In general as a Country it is, which is why we are no longer the #1Economic Power in the World.</p>
<p>2)The belief today is that public education is not viable. That privatization is the answer. But look at attempts to do that, and where they stand today.</p>
<p>Anyway, just an interesting piece of NJ history, which may suprise a few. Note I had forgotten this too, although I was quite young when Kean was in office.<br />
And for the record I am not a teacher. Could never do what they do.</p>
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		<title>By: pension man</title>
		<link>http://www.redbankgreen.com/2010/03/council-plans-watersewer-rate-increase.html/comment-page-1#comment-51106</link>
		<dc:creator>pension man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect Christie sticking to his guns, but what do you think is going to happen?

Yeah, we'll get some gov't reduction, ok. But the ones feeling the brunt of the pain are the taxpayers. Instead of the reducing the true source of bloat, locals will get laid off and we'll get reduced services. The corruption and waste are above local levels (at least the most disgusting, egregious kind). 

So Christie wants to fight the bloated unions, great. What can he do? Lawyers tell him he's got breach of contract issues going at them directly, so he threatens layoffs and privatization.  But lobbyists pushed through a bill last year that states any government work, whether performed by a gov't employee or a private contractor must be done by union labor. Maybe he can find a set of private contractors that aren't burdened by the likes of the same unions we're dealing with now, but I doubt it. We're just rearranging chairs, as one other poster put it.

And yes, we do have issues locally. Our council patently sucks at the negotiating table. Yes, they should have been gone last November. I'm still angry, maybe a few more of us are too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect Christie sticking to his guns, but what do you think is going to happen?</p>
<p>Yeah, we&#8217;ll get some gov&#8217;t reduction, ok. But the ones feeling the brunt of the pain are the taxpayers. Instead of the reducing the true source of bloat, locals will get laid off and we&#8217;ll get reduced services. The corruption and waste are above local levels (at least the most disgusting, egregious kind). </p>
<p>So Christie wants to fight the bloated unions, great. What can he do? Lawyers tell him he&#8217;s got breach of contract issues going at them directly, so he threatens layoffs and privatization.  But lobbyists pushed through a bill last year that states any government work, whether performed by a gov&#8217;t employee or a private contractor must be done by union labor. Maybe he can find a set of private contractors that aren&#8217;t burdened by the likes of the same unions we&#8217;re dealing with now, but I doubt it. We&#8217;re just rearranging chairs, as one other poster put it.</p>
<p>And yes, we do have issues locally. Our council patently sucks at the negotiating table. Yes, they should have been gone last November. I&#8217;m still angry, maybe a few more of us are too.</p>
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		<title>By: Westside Townie</title>
		<link>http://www.redbankgreen.com/2010/03/council-plans-watersewer-rate-increase.html/comment-page-1#comment-51102</link>
		<dc:creator>Westside Townie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>build a rain barrel:
http://www.marc.org/Environment/Water/buildrainbarrel.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>build a rain barrel:<br />
<a href="http://www.marc.org/Environment/Water/buildrainbarrel.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.marc.org/Environment/Water/buildrainbarrel.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: RedBankResidentES</title>
		<link>http://www.redbankgreen.com/2010/03/council-plans-watersewer-rate-increase.html/comment-page-1#comment-51100</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBankResidentES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outhouse = taxable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outhouse = taxable?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.redbankgreen.com/2010/03/council-plans-watersewer-rate-increase.html/comment-page-1#comment-51092</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the state lists a "comparitive cost per pupil" of $14,693 (http://www.state.nj.us/education/guide/2009/k-8.pdf), but I'm not sure how that's calculated.  If you divide the total budget by the number of students, the number is higher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the state lists a &#8220;comparitive cost per pupil&#8221; of $14,693 (http://www.state.nj.us/education/guide/2009/k-8.pdf), but I&#8217;m not sure how that&#8217;s calculated.  If you divide the total budget by the number of students, the number is higher.</p>
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		<title>By: MonmouthStMuffinTop</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonmouthStMuffinTop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sell the water co.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sell the water co.</p>
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		<title>By: Aqua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aqua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't sell the H20! you guys are wrong once its out of the towns hands the rates will be even higher!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t sell the H20! you guys are wrong once its out of the towns hands the rates will be even higher!</p>
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